Item 19: Flock Cameras
This is the biggie!
What are Flock Cameras?
Flock cameras are Licence Plate Readers, or LPR. They sit at intersections like so:

We have 14 of them in San Marcos, and they’re located here:

(We also have 8 downtown cameras that are not Flock cameras. The city owns these cameras.)
What makes everyone so mad about Flock cameras?
Every single time you drive by a Flock camera, your license plate gets tagged and recorded. Then Flock takes all this data, and pools it all together across the nation, into one big, sloppy data fest.
When your police department agrees to share all their data , they are given access to all the data about everyone who drives anywhere in all of the US.
And the network is HUGE:

Here’s just the I-35 corridor:

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Privacy and Data
Privacy rights are a tricky thing to talk about, because of a few things:
1. Our private lives started getting tracked extensively about 20 years ago. Now it’s like being mid-avalanche – we’ve all gotten used to things that are extremely abnormal.
This is the frog in boiling water scenario – as a society, how do we claw our private data back? (Europe has passed laws.)
2. The consequences are fuzzy and abstract for a long time…. until suddenly they’re really, really bad.
Your data is out there. Corporations sell it. It spreads like smoke. Nothing happens until it gets into the wrong person’s hands. Right now, because Trump has weaponized ICE and the FBI, people who want to abuse Flock data know they probably won’t be punished for it.
And ICE is constantly using Flock data to find people to snatch.
3. Freedom and safety are always in tension with each other. If you want to end all crime, you could put every single young man between ages 14 and 35 in jail. Your crime rate will drop to <1%.
But one of our core American ideals is freedom. Freedom is so important that we’re willing to accept some loss of safety. (“Innocent until proven guilty” literally means that we think it is wiser to let some guilty people go free than to risk locking up someone innocent.)
Where do you draw the line between freedom and safety? That is the heart of this discussion.
How did we get here?
April, 2022: Original Council agreement with Flock.
It was actually never discussed at that council meeting. It was put on the Consent Agenda with 15 other items. That means all sixteen items get one single vote, unless a council member pulls an item for discussion.
December 29, 2023: The first contract ends, and city staff signs a second contract with Flock Cameras.
This contract never went to Council for approval. Alyssa is pretty salty about this!
But honestly: in 2023, council was very very pro-cop. Jude Prather and Mark Gleason were still on Council, plus Matthew Mendoza.
Furthermore, there was a post-covid crime bump:

There was a lot of nervous energy around that.
All taken together, Council was extremely deferential to expanding SMPD in 2023. Hypothetically, if they’d voted on Flock Cameras, it would have been 6-1. I promise you, that’s what would have happened. (Alyssa would have been the only No vote.)
February, 2025: The winds change! This was the first time I ever heard “Flock Cameras” uttered in a City Council meeting. SMPD wanted 19 more cameras. Council postponed the decision until June, and then voted no. No additional Flock Cameras.
What changed since 2023?!
Well, Trump, obviously. Biden certainly deported a huge number of undocumented people! But he did not weaponize ICE with the kind of cruelty that we see from Trump.
This is what I meant above, about consequences. During the Biden administration, the loss of privacy didn’t feel as real to many people. Now we hear how Flock shares their data with ICE. We hear how Flock data tracks women who are leaving the state. The abuses are systemic.
Which brings us to today
The 2023 contract is up at the end of this year. Renewal was due by December 1st.
But city staff needs Council direction before they can renew, for two reasons:
- All decisions over $100K go to council for approval
- Clearly this has gotten contentious in a way that it wasn’t in 2023.
For unclear reasons, it did not get on the agenda in November. That means that we missed our deadline to renew.
Tonight’s topic: What is Council direction to staff? Do we want to renew after all, or modify, or just shut down Flock in San Marcos all together?
What does the public have to say?
Two speakers were pro-Flock cameras. Their main points:
- SMPD implemented a new privacy policy back in May.
- Flock cameras are victim-focused
- LPR cameras helped solve the downtown murders
- Everybody gets captured on camera constantly!
- What about other technology that helps capture criminals? Do you want to ban that, too?
Ten speakers were anti-Flock. Their main points:
- Flock cameras are reactive, not proactive. They respond to crimes that have already occurred, but they do not prevent future crimes. (More on this below)
- Their networks get hacked all the time. Their data is not secure. (True, true.)
- Peter Thiel is one of the creepiest billionaires around, and has funded ⅓ of the flock network. (Yes)
- There is no accountability for Flock.
- ICE has access to Flock data.
- Anecdotes of stalking incidents and tracking women who are leaving states to get abortions (for example)
Do Flock cameras help prevent crime?
Basically, no. Cameras work when they are visible and aimed at the location of the crime. In other words, if you put a big, obvious camera aimed at a parking lot, you can reduce the number of car break-ins.
But Flock cameras are aimed at intersections. They just record license plates. They don’t prevent the victim from being shot on the square – they just help find the shooter afterwards.
However, it does appear that Flock Cameras help solve crimes. Or as Chief Standridge puts it, we can solve the crime much faster, at least. It saves detective time.
What does Council have to say?
First off, Lorenzo recuses himself due to employment conflict of interest.
Next, Alyssa and the city manager go back and forth on the timeline for a while. (About the 2023 contract, discussed above.)
Amanda goes next. Her main points:
- We had a community town hall on public safety. There were diverse opinions!
- Opposing flock is a pretty mainstream opinion
- Surveillance doesn’t prevent crime.
- This is about Flock, not SMPD. Focus on Flock.
- Lots of people would be okay with a strictly internal SMPD camera system.
- Flock opens us up to expensive lawsuits. Lawsuits are way more expensive than the cost-savings from the cameras.
Saul: Are the city-owned downtown cameras LPRs? Are they License Plate Readers?
Answer: No, they aren’t. You have to go and watch them to get information out.
Saul: If the National Guard or martial law comes to San Marcos, can they access the data?
Answer: Legally, it would require a subpoena. Illegally, yes, systems can always be hacked or accessed. No guarantees against that.
Jane: Data is stored for 30 days, and we don’t share data with the rest of the Flock network?
Answer: Right, we stopped sharing after June. Now other agencies have to fill out a specific request and send it to us.
Jane: How often do we get requests from out-of-town PD?
Answer: We’ve gotten 20 since July. We denied two of them.
Alyssa: Hays County tried really hard to create some safeguards, and Flock is not interested. The Flock representative laughed when Hays requested some mild modifications to their system. They won’t do anything and won’t disclose anything.
Jane: I love Law & Order, but this one company makes me nervous.
Jane’s main points:
- I’m okay with cameras, but not Flock.
- Can we get some non-Flock cameras?
- Let’s renew with Flock while we source non-Flock cameras, so that we don’t have a gap in surveillance. Then we can switch in 2026.
Matthew: Samesies! No longterm Flock, but I’m okay with short-term Flock. No gap in surveillance, please and thank you!
Amanda: If we’re so focused on avoiding gaps, what about our major gaps in crime prevention? How about the gap on mental health care? How about the gap in homelessness prevention? Those would actually prevent crimes from occurring. Reacting does not make us safe.
Question: How much does Flock cost?
Answer: About $43K for a year.
They get into the nuts-and-bolts of transitioning to a different company. How long does it take to solicit proposals? Could we piggyback on an existing contract? Could we get a pro-rated or month-to-month contract with Flock in the meantime? (Answers: 12 months, maybe, and maybe.)
Extra details:
- Back in the spring, there were five cameras that may have gone live without Council approval. They were definitely mounted up on poles. Council is very interested to know whether or not they were turned on and recording data? Or just mounted up there? We never got a firm answer on this.
Question: Could we create our own, internal system?
Answer: Maybe! Seems plausible.
Jane: The story about Evanston, Illinois is creepy. If we’re signing a new contract, put in a clause to avoid that.
What she’s referring to is this: Evanston took down their Flock cameras due to privacy violations. Then Flock put them back up again. It took a court cease-and-desist order to get Flock to stop putting the cameras back up, on their own.
Question: How do you measure the effectiveness of Flock?
Answer: It’s mostly anecdotal, because Flock won’t share the information that you’d need to know this.
Saul specifically says that he supports SMPD and his own son is an officer, but he’s a no because of the risk of lawsuits.
THE VOTE:
Let’s sign a whole new contract!: nobody.
We want a short term contract with Flock, while we hunt for new options: Jane, Shane, Matthew
Absolutely no contract with Flock at all: Amanda, Alyssa, Saul
So it’s a 3-3 tie.
What does that mean??
It takes a little bit of time to untangle this. Basically, it takes 4 votes for Council to take action. Neither side got 4 votes. So nothing happens.
But what’s the outcome then?
We have to go back to the timeline. December 1st was the deadline to renew, and we couldn’t renew without Council approval. So that deadline came and went. We did not renew.
And now… nothing happens. Which means we’re done with Flock!
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Look, I loathe authoritarian microsurveillance and I think the threat from tech billionaires and ICE is far greater than the danger of unsolved crimes. So I’m good with this!
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Item 15: Speed limits
Here’s the new FM 110, going east of San Marcos:

On that red stretch, should we increase the speed limit from 60 mph to 65 mph?
This is pretty nutty:

Here’s what I think that means: TxDOT came to us and said, “We think your speed limit is too low. If too many people are speeding, you have to raise the speed limit.”
So we had to do a study, and the study did show that too many people were speeding! So now we have to raise the speed limit, so that they’re not speeding anymore.
How ass-backwards is that?
(Also: when national speed limits went from 55 mph to 65 mph, fatalities rose by 20%. It’s the whole freedom vs safety trade-off, again!)
Council votes:
Stay at 60 mph: no one.
Go up to 65 mph: everyone.
I mean, I wouldn’t want to take on TxDOT either. 😦
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Item 16: River Bridge Ranch PDD
River Bridge Ranch is always hopelessly confusing to me, because it is right next to Riverbend Ranch, and they both have had a hundred different names over the years. (Riley’s Point, The Mayan Tract, Baugh Ranch, etc etc)
This is mostly for my benefit:

For years I didn’t even realize these were separate properties.
Anyway, I hate them all.
- They all want to be single family sprawl that aggressively fails all five questions for good development.
- They keep trying to and sometimes succeeding get exemptions to do things that will increase flooding in Redwood.
- They got Council to eliminate what meager commerce they originally claimed to include.
Today is about #4, River Bridge Ranch.
It’s getting a little bit smaller, I think:

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