The Lobbying Ordinance
Guys. Guys. This was such a shitshow. I’m going to do my best to tease apart the good faith arguments and discussion from the bad faith spaghetti-slinging.
Background:
The Ethics Review Commission first submitted a draft of this in 2017. That means it’s spanned many different compositions of councils, and many different election cycles. It has been postponed more times than …some clever San Marcos reference that I can’t put my finger on. (More times than trains are stopped on tracks? Than sights & sounds has sights, and sounds? nope and nope.)
Since I’ve been blogging, it came up on June 1st and July 6th (back when I was a wee baby blogger, still getting my sea legs. Take those entries with a grain of salt.)
Then tonight:
This meeting’s discussion had two main parts:
Part 1: A motion to deny, which failed after about an hour. This is the shouty part.
Part 2: A motion to approve, which was postponed after another two hours. This was shouting mixed with policy discussion.
That’s right: this was a 3 hour discussion. Eeek.
Part 1: The motion to deny.
Shane Scott moved to deny, and Mark Gleason seconded it.
Shane Scott says very little in the entire three hour meeting. When he does talk, it’s in broad platitudes about government overreach and how he won’t be kept from listening to his constituents.
Mark Gleason, on the other hand, gives fervent monologues throughout the whole three hours. Often what he says is word soup. This is what makes it so hard to blog – do I dive into word soup and try to string it together into a coherent garland, and point out the inconsistencies? Or do I just let it wash over me and then cautiously back away, so that I don’t inadvertently unleash more soup? Max Baker dives in, and hard.
Which brings us to our third problem: Max Baker diving in. He swings erratically between making excellent points and ad hominem attacks.
Occasionally it is important to attack someone’s character. Shane Scott and Mark Gleason are fundamentally arguing in bad faith. One tell of bad faith is the motion to deny: you can’t discuss amendments and fixes to improve the quality of a policy under parliamentary rules. You can only discuss denial. They want this whole topic to die, full stop.
But in practice, you should only attack someone’s character judiciously and sparingly. It’s a bomb, and if you toss bombs continuously, then you’re just leaving carnage everywhere. Which Max does.
At his worst, Max Baker is arguing back and forth with Mayor Hughson. She is cutting in to tell him to stop with the ad hominem attacks, and he is saying that her constant interruptions are what makes the meetings last so long, and that she is being hypocritical, and then he goes back to the ad hominem attacks.
Mayor Hughson was operating in good faith on this topic. She came prepared with amendments that would lead to an ordinance that she could support. When Max turned his anger on Mayor Hughson, it felt frankly like the most obnoxious kid from high school who is going to “well, actually…” their underpaid, harried teacher to death. Once or twice, it veered awfully close to gendered bullying, which makes my skin prickle.
Max Baker can string together eloquent sentences. Mayor Hughson is not necessarily as eloquent, but her words are chosen to convey a real meaning. If you nitpick her word choice instead of listening for her meaning, then you are being a jerk. And you can provoke Jane into being a jerk right back. This is part of why the evening was a mess.
Back to Mark. Here is the most generous reading of Mark Gleason’s word soup:
- Average citizens will be caught up in this lobbying ordinance because it’s too broad. I believe this is what he means by “unintended consequences”.
- People operating in bad faith will lob flimsy accusations under this ordinance, in order to score points during election season. He uses the term “weaponization” a lot.
Here is Mark Gleason’s most asinine argument: Suppose a nonprofit lobbies for a policy and the policy passes. Later, the nonprofit fundraises by touting their success to private donors. They successfully raise money. Wouldn’t that count as “economic benefit” and make them lobbyists?
He makes this point many, many times, and it’s dumb every single time. He seems to be making two opposite points:
- Non-profits will be getting off scott-free, and it’s not fair that their economic benefit of fundraising doesn’t obligate them to report as lobbyists under the ordinance.
- Non-profits won’t get off scott-free, and their noble desire to improve the world will be stamped out as collateral damage, because they’ll have to register as lobbyists under this lobbying ordinance.
This is what I mean by word soup. He is very often making two contradictory points, and then invoking emotional touchstones about the Supreme Court, and constitutionality, and PACs, Big Government, and the IRS. It’s a total and complete mess.
Let’s spend a moment on Alyssa Garza, Saul Gonzalez, Jude Prather, and Mayor Hughson. In my opinion, these councilmembers operated in good faith for the evening.
Alyssa Garza: She has a substantially larger breadth of knowledge on this topic than the rest of the council. Several times she says some version of, “Would you mind if I introduced some vocabulary and organizational concepts to help you through the rough patch you’re bumbling around in?”
During the first hour, her main point is that many, many cities have had well-designed anti-lobbyist policies for many years. We are not inventing the wheel. In fact, we can cherry-pick the most well-written policies, since these other cities have had 15-20 years to iron out all the wrinkles.
This is exactly right! San Marcos is always about 15-20 years behind the curve. We are never breaking new territory, and other cities have already worked out all the kinks. We just have to read what they’ve done.
Alyssa’s other point: Has anyone else on this council actually read the literature? Have you all looked up lobbying ordinances in other cities and states? (And I quote, “Y’all are acting like this is brand new.”)
(Nope. No one else has read outside of what they’ve been given in their packet and from the Ethics Review Committee.)
Saul Gonzalez is 100% consistent the entire evening: we need this legislation in order to know who is getting bribed by out-of-town developers who want to wreck downtown by filling it with student apartment complexes. While I think his focus is a little narrow, I appreciate his honesty and directness.
Jude Prather: He keeps invoking Lady Justice and Scales of Justice. What he means is that he feels weird about having different entities mentioned by name. (SMPOA and the Fire-fighters Union both get special shout-outs.) He generally seems unfamiliar with the ordinance and it’s history. However, this was specifically postponed until February to allow a new council to vote on it, and to give the new council time to get up to speed. And it’s already a second reading. Sometimes you just have to catch up.
The answer to the carve-outs is that this is considered best-practices, many cities do it, and it was the result of hours and hours of deliberation and discussion.
Finally, as I mentioned above, Mayor Hughson came to the table in good faith, and stayed there. She brought 13 amendments to discuss and was ready to have specific conversations about policy content.
At the end of Part 1, they voted on the denial:
Yes, deny: Shane Scott and Mark Gleason
No, do not deny: Mayor Hughson, Alyssa Garza, Saul Gonzalez, Jude Prather, Max Baker
Part 2: The motion to approve
Mayor Hughson came equipped with something like 18 different amendments, which had been consolidated down to 13. The first amendment was the most substantial:
- The ordinance should only apply to councilmembers, not to government officials or members of other boards and commissions.
Max Baker asserted that government officials can certainly be prejudiced in certain directions by lobbyists, and ought to report. Jane Hughson asserted that we can trust government officials to be professional, and that we should start small.
The fighting came here: Max Baker wanted to know if Mayor Hughson’s consideration of the entire bill hinged on the outcome of this amendment. She said “It’s quite probable”. Then he was like a dog with a bone – he just kept hammering her on this point. I got annoyed with Max.
Alyssa Garza made the point that there is a generational memory throughout the Hispanic community of city officials being quite prejudiced against them. Even if the current employees behave professionally, there is a lack of trust due to the historical context. Saul Gonzalez spoke up to agree with this. Now, Saul is the quietest council member. If he speaks up to support Alyssa on this point, we should act as though he’s sounding bugles and banging on cymbals to get our attention.
In the end, this passes.
In favor: Mayor Hughson, Shane Scott, Mark Gleason, Jude Prather
Against: Saul Gonzalez, Max Baker, Alyssa Garza
(I briefly wondered if Shane Scott and Mark Gleason would vote against this, in order to undermine Mayor Hughson’s support of the entire ordinance. But they did not play 11-dimensional chess.)
There is some discussion of methodology by the Ethics Review Commission, and which comparison cities have policies most closely resembling this proposal. There is discussion of direct campaign contributions versus indirect campaign contributions. The council seems mystified on how to quantify indirect campaign contributions until Alyssa Garza reminds everyone that organizations have to report these to the IRS, and there are clear categories with useful examples on the IRS website.
There are several technical amendments. Listen: this post is ridiculously long.
Finally we have the constellation of issues that leads to the postponement. The definition of lobbyist in this proposal requires either compensation or economic benefit. For example, if you argue that city council should rezone an area, and your business will benefit from the rezoning, then you’ve received an economic benefit.
Mark Gleason is in a fever pitch at this point, bringing in the Oxford English Dictionary and constitutionality and PACs. Alyssa Garza helps him out by suggesting that he’s trying to distinguish between grassroots lobbying and direct lobbying?
Mark Gleason says that lobbying is lobbying, and Alyssa redirects him that these are different things. It’s an incredibly patient display of self-control. Gleason does appear to hear what she said. (I am not saying that he retained it.)
Finally Alyssa concedes that if these distinctions are this difficult for the committee, the public probably doesn’t have that good a grasp on them, and it’s worth taking the time to write the policy correctly.
This opens the door for Shane Scott to immediately move to postpone.
Max is furious, of course, as are Alyssa and Saul. Shane Scott has absolutely no interest in discussing the ordinance in three months. He just loves postponing things.
Jude, Scott, Jane, Mark, vote to postpone until April.
Saul, Max, Alyssa vote against.
So there you have it. Postponed for two more months.
I feel uneasy about this write-up – so many parts were omitted.